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Y-DNA Don’t Match ≠ Why DNA Don’t Match

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It’s official: a skeleton found in 2012 under a parking lot in Liecester, England is the remains of the infamous King Richard III. This is–honestly–*big news* for historians & genealogists…oh yes, and for the 100s of millions of people around the world genetically descended from the family to which this poor Richard belonged.

But wait; there’s more!

The accessibly written and hyper-informative scientific, peer-reviewed published study which details just how they figured this out includes the scoop on Richard III’s male-line-inherited Y-DNA and how it totally doesn’t match the Y-DNA of living descendants of the same male line…which, they’re supposed to match.

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John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster; Son of Edward III, ancestor of living men whose Y-DNA was tested

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Edmund of Langley, Duke of York; Son of Edward III, ancestor of King Richard III, whose Y-DNA is now known.

The two chaps you see pictured either side of this texty bit were brothers, sons of King Edward III. Neither became king, but the much-ballyhoo’d War of the Roses has the one on the left to thank for the House of Lancaster (Henry’s IV through VI), and the one on the right to thank for the House of York (Edward IV, Edward V, Richard III).

Said War of said Roses (red and white, respectively) ended up resolved in the form of one rose to rule them all, er, man…one MAN to rule…oh, sorry, one HENRY, that’s definitely better…one Henry to rule them all, since of course, King Henry VIII descended on his father’s side from John (of Lancaster; the one on the left), and on his mother’s from Edmund (of York; the one on the right).

Richard III’s “right of succession” to the throne was based on being a son of a son of Edmund.

As fate would have it, there exists a line of man-to-man descent from John (the one on the left) to this very day.

But something is–or rather, was–rotten in the state once and futurely ruled [sic] by Denmark*….

The living dudes’ Y-DNA is not the same as Richard III’s (from his skeleton), and yet it should be the same. The only thing that could make these two batches of Y-DNA not match is a break in father-to-son transmission of the Y-DNA…somewhere along the line(s)….and it could be between Richard and the man who’s supposedly the male-line ancestor of all these chaps (4 generations from Richard III back to Edward III), OR it could be somwhere along the 17 generations from Edward III down through his son John, (pictured above Left) to the current living dudes.

READ THE WHOLE THING… H E R E  … at the Global Family Reunion site.

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Medieval Daddy DNA

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The rabbit hole opens wide, gnarled and deep as the results of the Y-DNA analysis of the remains now confirmed to be Richard III of England are released, along with the results of a comparison to the Y-DNA of other men who, like Richard III, are ostensibly also descendants of King Edward III…and the DNA don’t match, folks!

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John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster; Son of Edward III, ancestor of living men whose Y-DNA was tested

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Edmund of Langley, Duke of York; Son of Edward III, ancestor of King Richard III, whose Y-DNA is now known.

So the question is, where and when was the one or more alternative fatherings of any one or more of the 19 links between the living men whose DNA was tested and the infamous King Richard III?

My full post on this is going live at the Global Family Reunion site any time. I’ll update with a link so check back today or tomorrow for that.

In the meantime, click here for a handy chart.

 

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Medieval Daddy DNA

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The rabbit hole opens wide, gnarled and deep as the results of the Y-DNA analysis of the remains now confirmed to be Richard III of England are released, along with the results of a comparison to the Y-DNA of other men who, like Richard III, are ostensibly also descendants of King Edward III…and the DNA don’t match, folks!

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John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster; Son of Edward III, ancestor of living men whose Y-DNA was tested

EDMUND YORK1

Edmund of Langley, Duke of York; Son of Edward III, ancestor of King Richard III, whose Y-DNA is now known.

So the question is, where and when was the one or more alternative fatherings of any one or more of the 19 links between the living men whose DNA was tested and the infamous King Richard III?




My full post on this is going live at the Global Family Reunion site any time. I’ll update with a link so check back today or tomorrow for that.

In the meantime, click here for a handy chart.








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Amusements!

I got a sort of nifty birthday present, today.

It’s yet another cool thing I’ve learned thanks to the relatives I’ve been able to meet through 23andme, the gene-analysis service and website that examines one’s actual DNA and compares it to all the other members’ DNA.

Turns out I’m related to Mark Twain!

A little context: I mean, yeah, I’m descended from King Edward III, but so are 10s of millions of other people, too. And while that’s still its own kind of cool, Mark Twain… he’s one of the actual good guys! An American Good Guy, no less! So you can see the chart showing our relation, when you click on this thumbnail:

But first, this:

Since I was a little kid I’ve known that I share my birthday with that lanky red-haired hero of the American Revolution, that smartie-pants whose land deal trumps Trump’s and all others’, that independence declaring, happiness pursuing, Hemings-hiding, quotable quillsmith and third President, that sage of Monticello, Thomas Jefferson.

And I’ve always been cool with that. He’s an admirable — if monumentally hypocritical — sort. Sharing a birthday…I mean we all are aware of the famous people born the same day as we were. But I was not related to him…not until now. Well, related as in-laws, anyway. My kids, however, are related to him because my wife is.

Awwwww yeah!

That’s on a’count of my wife’s dad being from Kentucky, and his people being among the first wave of white folks to settle there, and which means they all had been in Virginia before that for generations. And one of them, last name of Nethery, came from a line going back to a lady named Mary Tinsley. Mary’s great-great-great grandfather was a fella by the name of William Randolph, whose sons planted the English vine, as they used to style it, here in America in a rather big way down there in Virginia, becoming one of the FIRST first families of Virginia. See, Mary’s father, Edward Tinsley, was 3rd cousins to a certain Jane Randolph. And Jane, well she marred a wealthy guy named Peter Jefferson. And on April 13, 1743 they had a little baby boy named Tom. So Tom (Jefferson), author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd President of the USA, father of the Hemmings children, was 4th cousins with Mary Tinsley, wife of a certain Ambrose Rucker, mother of Mary Rucker and ancestor of my wife and of my kids. Ahh, Tom. We’re finally family!   (I “lol” here since that connection is so remote and well, not related to ME, that it’s funny.)

Here are some other suchlike amusements in the form of some people I AM related to:

President Barack Obama and I are 11th cousins (this means we share a pair of 9th great-grandparents)

Former President George W. Bush and I are 10th cousins

Bill Clinton and I are 8th cousins, twice removed

Ronald Reagan and I were 15th cousins (phew!)

I’m also 10th cousins, once removed, with David Rockefeller

 

 

11th cousins twice removed with Princes William and Harry

 
Only 6th cousins, but four times removed, with J.P. Morgan.

And, to bring it — in its way — full circle back to my birthday and good ole Thomas Jefferson (by a circuitous modus of recirculation), I’m also descended from a guy whose nephew got the phatt Oxford education, becoming something of a legal genius and political philosopher and in fact codified a certain format, or vision, for a certain type of republic rooted in the social contract (consent of the governed), the intent of which was nothing short of enabling the consentingly governed the free “pursuit of life, liberty and property.”

Sound just a leeeetle bit familiar? Indeed, when Jefferson was drafting the Declaration of Independence he borrowed the sentiment, changing “property” to “happiness”, from the writer John Locke. John Locke, nephew of my ancestor, Thomas Locke.

                        

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